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		<title>Comment on Zamyatin&#8217;s tangible threat that 2+2=4 [yikes] by Neil</title>
		<link>http://daybookery.wordpress.com/2009/08/03/zamyatins-tangible-threat-that-224-yikes/#comment-160</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 22:40:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This reminds me of a scene in an old &quot;Elseworlds&quot; Superman Annual.  Superman: The Man of Steel Annual #3 to be exact.  
In the story, Superman is merely another Kryptonian who fled from Krypton before it exploded.  The population settled on earth, and the subsequent superpowers which that population developed (and their superior technology) allowed the Kryptonians to rule over humanity.  The Kryptonians are very xenophobic and view humans as an inferior species.  Despite this, they are very scientific and store most all data in a computer grid.  
The real turning point of the story is when Batman (who is a dedicated underground fighter) finds some old construction blueprints in paper form.  He comments that the paper records are real, and served as a testament to human kind, as contrasted with the technology loving Kryptonians who saw no use for such relics.  The records allowed him to circumvent the Kryptonian computer systems and helped the resistance movement succeed in freeing the planet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This reminds me of a scene in an old &#8220;Elseworlds&#8221; Superman Annual.  Superman: The Man of Steel Annual #3 to be exact.<br />
In the story, Superman is merely another Kryptonian who fled from Krypton before it exploded.  The population settled on earth, and the subsequent superpowers which that population developed (and their superior technology) allowed the Kryptonians to rule over humanity.  The Kryptonians are very xenophobic and view humans as an inferior species.  Despite this, they are very scientific and store most all data in a computer grid.<br />
The real turning point of the story is when Batman (who is a dedicated underground fighter) finds some old construction blueprints in paper form.  He comments that the paper records are real, and served as a testament to human kind, as contrasted with the technology loving Kryptonians who saw no use for such relics.  The records allowed him to circumvent the Kryptonian computer systems and helped the resistance movement succeed in freeing the planet.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Townhouse [Week 1] by S., Michael</title>
		<link>http://daybookery.wordpress.com/2009/07/17/the-townhouse-week-1/#comment-155</link>
		<dc:creator>S., Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to hear from you Vic, I was sort of afraid that because I&#039;d gone for some time and had subsequently been saturated by Jane for awhile, that I missed out on the small Wordpress community I&#039;d enjoyed awhile back. This is my favorite of the free templates: I think it looks smart, relaxing, easy-to-navigate, and [most importantly] not bloglike. It could pass as a website-proper if it had to. The widgets are great in terms of ease, but their flexibility is limited because of the--even though simple-seeming--two-column structure of the blog. I actually bought space at http://s-is-for-somewhere.com so I could sort of liberate myself from it -- it is a Wordpress-based blog, but when you install it yourself you get some freedoms. The only problem is that it takes a lot longer to setup.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to hear from you Vic, I was sort of afraid that because I&#8217;d gone for some time and had subsequently been saturated by Jane for awhile, that I missed out on the small WordPress community I&#8217;d enjoyed awhile back. This is my favorite of the free templates: I think it looks smart, relaxing, easy-to-navigate, and [most importantly] not bloglike. It could pass as a website-proper if it had to. The widgets are great in terms of ease, but their flexibility is limited because of the&#8211;even though simple-seeming&#8211;two-column structure of the blog. I actually bought space at <a href="http://s-is-for-somewhere.com" rel="nofollow">http://s-is-for-somewhere.com</a> so I could sort of liberate myself from it &#8212; it is a WordPress-based blog, but when you install it yourself you get some freedoms. The only problem is that it takes a lot longer to setup.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Townhouse [Week 1] by Vic</title>
		<link>http://daybookery.wordpress.com/2009/07/17/the-townhouse-week-1/#comment-154</link>
		<dc:creator>Vic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well congratulations and good luck in finding a job. Love your blog&#039;s new look, lol. This template has some really cool features, the least of which is a restful atmosphere, but I am curious to know what you think of the widgets. Sometimes I get so stymied, I just give up.

Vic</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well congratulations and good luck in finding a job. Love your blog&#8217;s new look, lol. This template has some really cool features, the least of which is a restful atmosphere, but I am curious to know what you think of the widgets. Sometimes I get so stymied, I just give up.</p>
<p>Vic</p>
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		<title>Comment on Twi[L]ight Me on Fire, please &#8211; by S., Michael</title>
		<link>http://daybookery.wordpress.com/2009/06/26/twilight-me-on-fire-please/#comment-152</link>
		<dc:creator>S., Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 21:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t be all too surprised if Jane lifted Darcy from Byron; while the Byronic hero in lit. wasn&#039;t established as such, Lord B. was worthy gossip. By the time P&amp;P was published, he had already skipped around the world [probably] leaving wakes of illegitimates. If I remember, he was the first blockbuster author, whose characterists just happened to jive with a Gothic-novel aesthetic; -- I suppose between Richardson&#039;s Lovelace and Byron-himself, there was already a palpable Byronic pattern writers could draw on.

Jane&#039;s novels are stock-full of Byronic wannabes (or &quot;Byronnabes&quot;) who stumble-about, choke-up, dwindle and fail. Wickham is more of a Lovelace, but he may fit; Willoughby certainly fits, going so far as to confess his admiration of the Mad-and-Bad Himself to Marianne; there is what&#039;s-his-face in Sanditon who threatens to steal the heroine to Timbuktu .... All become jokes, caricatures of the model: Jane&#039;s case-in-point in just how silly all this Byron-y is. 

Both Darcy and Colonel Brandon are more on the melodramatic side: tall, slim, dark, quiet, dangerous (Darcy), morose (Brandon) --

-- oops, I dallied: let&#039;s save that thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be all too surprised if Jane lifted Darcy from Byron; while the Byronic hero in lit. wasn&#8217;t established as such, Lord B. was worthy gossip. By the time P&amp;P was published, he had already skipped around the world [probably] leaving wakes of illegitimates. If I remember, he was the first blockbuster author, whose characterists just happened to jive with a Gothic-novel aesthetic; &#8212; I suppose between Richardson&#8217;s Lovelace and Byron-himself, there was already a palpable Byronic pattern writers could draw on.</p>
<p>Jane&#8217;s novels are stock-full of Byronic wannabes (or &#8220;Byronnabes&#8221;) who stumble-about, choke-up, dwindle and fail. Wickham is more of a Lovelace, but he may fit; Willoughby certainly fits, going so far as to confess his admiration of the Mad-and-Bad Himself to Marianne; there is what&#8217;s-his-face in Sanditon who threatens to steal the heroine to Timbuktu &#8230;. All become jokes, caricatures of the model: Jane&#8217;s case-in-point in just how silly all this Byron-y is. </p>
<p>Both Darcy and Colonel Brandon are more on the melodramatic side: tall, slim, dark, quiet, dangerous (Darcy), morose (Brandon) &#8211;</p>
<p>&#8211; oops, I dallied: let&#8217;s save that thought.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Twi[L]ight Me on Fire, please &#8211; by Sylwia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sylwia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, but - isn&#039;t Darcy portrayed as a social outcast at first? No one likes him – they’d rather he never came. Isn&#039;t he supposed to be a villain for a half of the story? I mean the impression he&#039;s meant to create on one&#039;s first reading of the book. 

It got me thinking because I&#039;m from Poland, and we don&#039;t have the bad boy archetype in our literature. Even if some exceptions might be found, it&#039;s nowhere similar to the army of villains in the English language culture, and especially not among the protagonists. Our characters are portrayed in more shades of grey rather than black and white, which I think comes from the geographical situation as well as from history and politics. I.e. the English bad guy tends to be an outsider (Darcy is too), while ours are all insiders. Gothic novels are written off entirely, because vampires in our folk tradition are our relatives or at least long time neighbours, and they&#039;re not even so scary or sexual, just miserable. It’s the Western literature that made sexual predators out of our poor Central-Eastern European undead. :D

There is one book (Mickiewicz&#039;s Pan Tadeusz) where a character similar to Darcy is considered Byronic exactly because he seems villainous at first, with some dark past et al, even though it&#039;s later explained away. My point is that perhaps Austen had a similar approach to the archetype, making it sound and reasonable instead of just Mad, Bad &amp; Dangerous to know. At least Lizzy thinks that it&#039;s dangerous to know Darcy at first – she sees him as a bad-tempered cynic and a revengeful men-hater – but it all appears to be a very human misunderstanding.

Was there such an archetype at all before the sentimental and romantic novels? I think that earlier villains were static. I.e. Don Juan doesn’t come through any change or revelation. He’s as bad at the beginning as at the end, and we’re left in no doubt about him. Even if other characters might be left in the dark, reader always knows better.

Wiki gives a number of Byronic hero&#039;s traits, and when applied to Darcy, either at the beginning or at the end of the novel, at least the vast majority of them fit him quite well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byronic_hero

Of course Austen couldn&#039;t have taken her pattern from Byron. It was too early for that. But I think that the archetype was in the air, and she used it in her own way, while Byron went into the more dramatic rendition. Perhaps our contemporary definitions depend on our views on the whole. Darcy is no Heathcliff or Rochester, and so he comes off as very unlike the dark heroes. Yet, in my culture, where such heroes are few and far between (even though Romanticism is a major genre here), Darcy stands out as very typical for the era. 

Not that I feel like reading about a Darcy-vampire, but it&#039;s not the first time I see such a stretch made, and my supposition is that Darcy lends himself to the Byronic hero archetype even though he&#039;s not supposed to be a bad boy, sexual predator or whatever. Just in the Anglo-Saxon countries the archetype has bloomed for the last 200 years more than others, and so some women are likely to stereotypise him into the more familiar and, perhaps, desirable direction. What I really don’t like about it is the lack of any ingenuity behind it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, but &#8211; isn&#8217;t Darcy portrayed as a social outcast at first? No one likes him – they’d rather he never came. Isn&#8217;t he supposed to be a villain for a half of the story? I mean the impression he&#8217;s meant to create on one&#8217;s first reading of the book. </p>
<p>It got me thinking because I&#8217;m from Poland, and we don&#8217;t have the bad boy archetype in our literature. Even if some exceptions might be found, it&#8217;s nowhere similar to the army of villains in the English language culture, and especially not among the protagonists. Our characters are portrayed in more shades of grey rather than black and white, which I think comes from the geographical situation as well as from history and politics. I.e. the English bad guy tends to be an outsider (Darcy is too), while ours are all insiders. Gothic novels are written off entirely, because vampires in our folk tradition are our relatives or at least long time neighbours, and they&#8217;re not even so scary or sexual, just miserable. It’s the Western literature that made sexual predators out of our poor Central-Eastern European undead. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>There is one book (Mickiewicz&#8217;s Pan Tadeusz) where a character similar to Darcy is considered Byronic exactly because he seems villainous at first, with some dark past et al, even though it&#8217;s later explained away. My point is that perhaps Austen had a similar approach to the archetype, making it sound and reasonable instead of just Mad, Bad &amp; Dangerous to know. At least Lizzy thinks that it&#8217;s dangerous to know Darcy at first – she sees him as a bad-tempered cynic and a revengeful men-hater – but it all appears to be a very human misunderstanding.</p>
<p>Was there such an archetype at all before the sentimental and romantic novels? I think that earlier villains were static. I.e. Don Juan doesn’t come through any change or revelation. He’s as bad at the beginning as at the end, and we’re left in no doubt about him. Even if other characters might be left in the dark, reader always knows better.</p>
<p>Wiki gives a number of Byronic hero&#8217;s traits, and when applied to Darcy, either at the beginning or at the end of the novel, at least the vast majority of them fit him quite well.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byronic_hero" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byronic_hero</a></p>
<p>Of course Austen couldn&#8217;t have taken her pattern from Byron. It was too early for that. But I think that the archetype was in the air, and she used it in her own way, while Byron went into the more dramatic rendition. Perhaps our contemporary definitions depend on our views on the whole. Darcy is no Heathcliff or Rochester, and so he comes off as very unlike the dark heroes. Yet, in my culture, where such heroes are few and far between (even though Romanticism is a major genre here), Darcy stands out as very typical for the era. </p>
<p>Not that I feel like reading about a Darcy-vampire, but it&#8217;s not the first time I see such a stretch made, and my supposition is that Darcy lends himself to the Byronic hero archetype even though he&#8217;s not supposed to be a bad boy, sexual predator or whatever. Just in the Anglo-Saxon countries the archetype has bloomed for the last 200 years more than others, and so some women are likely to stereotypise him into the more familiar and, perhaps, desirable direction. What I really don’t like about it is the lack of any ingenuity behind it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Twi[L]ight Me on Fire, please &#8211; by S., Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>S., Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suppose Darcy seems a little Byronic in the sense that he&#039;s tall and dark and brooding and arrogant, but I always assumed the most distinguishing feature was that the Byronic hero was generally an exile, an outcast, or had a questionable history. Darcy isn&#039;t any of the latter; rather, he is a societal pinnacle to which any of the gentlemen ought reach. He is no antihero, and not really at all villainous. Like Bryon, the Byronic hero should probably be Mad, Bad, &amp; Dangerous to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suppose Darcy seems a little Byronic in the sense that he&#8217;s tall and dark and brooding and arrogant, but I always assumed the most distinguishing feature was that the Byronic hero was generally an exile, an outcast, or had a questionable history. Darcy isn&#8217;t any of the latter; rather, he is a societal pinnacle to which any of the gentlemen ought reach. He is no antihero, and not really at all villainous. Like Bryon, the Byronic hero should probably be Mad, Bad, &amp; Dangerous to know.</p>
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		<title>Comment on /The Graphic Classroom/ in /Teacher Librarian/ by RobinB</title>
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		<dc:creator>RobinB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 13:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really, not a problem!  It&#039;s a very valid criticism, and I just wish I had either the time to learn how to fix all the code myself or the funding to pay someone else to make it all work. :)  And yes, I understood that you were taking issue with the design, which as I said -- I totally agree with.

I agree GN Reporter has quickly become a great site.  (Of course I occasionally write for them, so perhaps I&#039;m biased.)

I am indeed a teen librarian, but I think there&#039;s SO much more to be done with GNs in the school sphere and I am really not the person to do that (in that I have little practical experience in a school setting).  

Anywho, no hard feelings at all.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really, not a problem!  It&#8217;s a very valid criticism, and I just wish I had either the time to learn how to fix all the code myself or the funding to pay someone else to make it all work. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   And yes, I understood that you were taking issue with the design, which as I said &#8212; I totally agree with.</p>
<p>I agree GN Reporter has quickly become a great site.  (Of course I occasionally write for them, so perhaps I&#8217;m biased.)</p>
<p>I am indeed a teen librarian, but I think there&#8217;s SO much more to be done with GNs in the school sphere and I am really not the person to do that (in that I have little practical experience in a school setting).  </p>
<p>Anywho, no hard feelings at all.  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Twi[L]ight Me on Fire, please &#8211; by Sylwia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sylwia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 02:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Mr. Darcy might be a little dark, but Byronic?&quot;

Actually it&#039;s something I&#039;ve been thinking about for some time. How do you define the Byronic hero? What, in your opinion, are the major characteristics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Mr. Darcy might be a little dark, but Byronic?&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually it&#8217;s something I&#8217;ve been thinking about for some time. How do you define the Byronic hero? What, in your opinion, are the major characteristics?</p>
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		<title>Comment on /The Graphic Classroom/ in /Teacher Librarian/ by S., Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>S., Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 20:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>-- foot-in-mouth : - ). While I am not a fan of NFNT (read: the reviews are square, I just have no idea how to navigate the damn thing), I am completely in the minority. When I first began ordering Graphics &amp; YA Material for the library, NFNT was on the short-list of idea sites, not to mention you have been mentioned in all the FLYP (Florida Library Youth Program) pamphlets / booklets /other-medialets. NFNT has dominated the resource-for-teen-librarians shortlists for the last year plus. Graphic Novel Reporter seems to be swinging into your place; I first heard of them at the Graphica-in-Education Conference, now I see them everywhere.

Of course, I don&#039;t really have room to talk. TGC isn&#039;t &lt;em&gt;my &lt;/em&gt;reviewsite, but I&#039;ve written reviews; my full-time job and family has gotten in the way of that (and even blogging) for several months. I have tremendous respect (however) for Chris W., who has done a lot for legitimizing comics in the classroom. Plenty has been said on your behalf too.

So, anyway, while I don&#039;t take back my comments about NFNT, I &lt;em&gt;did&lt;/em&gt; want to make it clear that my animosity is only surface deep, and--while I THINK I heard you were a teen lib. yourself (or something, did I make that up?)--NFNT is still lauded over at YALSA. Kudos. 

Your a killer sport, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8211; foot-in-mouth : &#8211; ). While I am not a fan of NFNT (read: the reviews are square, I just have no idea how to navigate the damn thing), I am completely in the minority. When I first began ordering Graphics &amp; YA Material for the library, NFNT was on the short-list of idea sites, not to mention you have been mentioned in all the FLYP (Florida Library Youth Program) pamphlets / booklets /other-medialets. NFNT has dominated the resource-for-teen-librarians shortlists for the last year plus. Graphic Novel Reporter seems to be swinging into your place; I first heard of them at the Graphica-in-Education Conference, now I see them everywhere.</p>
<p>Of course, I don&#8217;t really have room to talk. TGC isn&#8217;t <em>my </em>reviewsite, but I&#8217;ve written reviews; my full-time job and family has gotten in the way of that (and even blogging) for several months. I have tremendous respect (however) for Chris W., who has done a lot for legitimizing comics in the classroom. Plenty has been said on your behalf too.</p>
<p>So, anyway, while I don&#8217;t take back my comments about NFNT, I <em>did</em> want to make it clear that my animosity is only surface deep, and&#8211;while I THINK I heard you were a teen lib. yourself (or something, did I make that up?)&#8211;NFNT is still lauded over at YALSA. Kudos. </p>
<p>Your a killer sport, too.</p>
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		<title>Comment on /The Graphic Classroom/ in /Teacher Librarian/ by Robin B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 17:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it&#039;s any help, I rather agree with you. :)  The only reason I haven&#039;t just put NFNT in suspension is that people still use the content, but believe me, I&#039;m the first to critique it&#039;s out-of-date-ness (and horrible code.)  FYI, we are still working on rebooting the site as a blog/magazine site, but I am frequently embarrassed by its current state.  Having a full-time job and working on a million other things (books, articles, etc.) haven&#039;t helped fix that problem, but just so you know, I feel exactly where you&#039;re coming from.  Happy to be usurped, though hopefully someday I can come back and give you some worthwhile competition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it&#8217;s any help, I rather agree with you. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   The only reason I haven&#8217;t just put NFNT in suspension is that people still use the content, but believe me, I&#8217;m the first to critique it&#8217;s out-of-date-ness (and horrible code.)  FYI, we are still working on rebooting the site as a blog/magazine site, but I am frequently embarrassed by its current state.  Having a full-time job and working on a million other things (books, articles, etc.) haven&#8217;t helped fix that problem, but just so you know, I feel exactly where you&#8217;re coming from.  Happy to be usurped, though hopefully someday I can come back and give you some worthwhile competition.</p>
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